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Koolbrown

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 895 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: CHEATING - ALL READ |
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Please note, for both league members, and people just browsing the site looking for a place to race.
Cheating, in any form to gain an advantage, is not welcome here at FIHS, and will be dealt with swiftly, and harshly.
<Chev> clearly was cheating in Tuesday's race, and unfortunately I wasn't in the server when the Vehicle Mismatch was identified (Or if I was I simply missed it), and not only did he cheat, but he adversely affected the outcome of the race, and possibly the Championship with his on track driving actions.
<Chev>, You will not be welcome back to any Rfactor race run on my server, and I am sure I speak for others when I say you are not welcome to race in any FIHS sanctioned event, without at least some sort of explaination for your actions.
I apologize to everyone who ran on Tuesday that I didn't catch before the race, and want to assure everyone that I have closed the loophole that allowed <Chev> to remain in the room and race, even though he had a Vehicle Mismatch.
This is a perfect chance to remind everyone that there is no tolerance for blantant cheating, and Cheaters will not be welcome at FIHS sanctioned events.
In light of this I am making a few arbitrary rule changes for the remainder of this Series, and for any other series that follow in the Open League.
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1) Mismatches will be booted from the Server immediately (the option for the multiplayer.ini has been corrected to do this automatically)
2) Anyone without a Championship point in the series will be booted from the room at the end of Qualifying if they haven't completed at least 5 laps in the room at that point. (I will allow exception if racers registered to this site, and present for the race, will vouche for the driver in question)
3) The final two races of the season will closed to anyone who has not registered a point in the Championship. (I will allow a driver to race if he has attended at least 50% of the schedule, and still has no points to show for it)
4) Any racer who is deemed, erratic, careless, or driving in a manner that is inconsistant with the accepted standards of FIHS league, will be removed from the server prior to the race. (This is the vague, yet broad clause that allows me to remove someone who is otherwise just acting like an ASS.)
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I hate that it comes to this, but I feel an obligation to ensure that people showing up for these races are treated to a fair, and enjoyable race. _________________
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JohnW Senior Member
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 9050 Location: High Desert, California
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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It was weird. Just as we went to warmup, the guy got a mismatch, even though it seemed to pass muster during practise and qualifying. The message said the server would boot him from the race, but it did not do so. I can't recall the exact mismatch, but it was a new one for me. Busted noticed it too.
What was it ? Had he tweeked some file ? _________________
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Hynee Judging Panel Member

Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Posts: 3220 Location: Melbourne, AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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He'd changed the Vehicle Collision Detection settings, but that doesn't automatically boot you in rFactor, apparently. _________________ ||||||| Hynee |||||||
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JohnW Senior Member
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 9050 Location: High Desert, California
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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That was it.
Does that make him undamagable without turning on Invulnerablity ? _________________
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Steven_M Site Admin

Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 2880 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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And what did he do in the final laps that drew the ire of Leno and Kwik(I believe it was Kwik).
When the mismatch came out, it said he would not be allowed to race, but that happened obviously, so what makes you certain that he was cheating? _________________ -- 2007 : 2009 FiHSF1 Series Champion --- 2007 : 2008 Constructor's Championship Co-driver --- V8 Supercar Series Champion --- Formula BMW Series Champion --
- The bullshit stops, when the green flag drops. [--] "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - |
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JohnW Senior Member
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 9050 Location: High Desert, California
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Did he edit his file after joining, and that's why the mismatch only showed up when we went to warmup ? So, he qualifed legal, then changed his file before warmup so he could take hits during the race without damage ? I'm just trying to understand what happened, and like Merlin, trying to see how we KNOW he cheated. _________________
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Kwik
Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 108
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Actually what pissed me off was i was in 3rd pitted behind another car and then found he had the same pitstall.I was pissed at chev,I was stuck behind him for 7 laps i thought he was blocking and doing brake checks at the time.After watching the replay I'm not sure.How do we know he was cheating watch the start from chevs car,you'll see him pass cars like they were standing still.It was like he had nitrous.Also I had told one of the beta testers for Rfactor about what had happened and that is what he said.The guy was using a simple cheat.When using this simple cheat it causes very high pings which Busted and Paul and to a lesser extent myself saw.Busted and Paul had to drop out do to the high pings
I think he had the cheat on from the start,i don't think it would work if he changed it during a race weekend. |
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Steven_M Site Admin

Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 2880 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Kwik wrote: | How do we know he was cheating watch the start from chevs car,you'll see him pass cars like they were standing still.It was like he had nitrous.Also I had one of the beta testers for Rfactor about what had happened and that is what he said.The guy was using a simple cheat.When using this simple cheat it causes very high pings which Busted and Paul and to a lesser extent myself saw.Busted and Paul had to drop out do to the high pings
I think he had the cheat on from the start,i don't think it would work if he changed it during a race weekend. |
Define "simple cheat" please.....
Its still does not make sense why the mismatch was detected in one session, then was not in the other sessions and the game itself "forgot" about the mismatch.......
His start is quite peculiar, also there is enormous lag in the replay, which I have no recollection of in the race, only Hynee had a high ping and was warping to me...... But in the replay everyone is lagging quite severly
All for banning on suspicion, but I would like to learn more on exactly what this cheat is and how he avoided the mismatch. This is not something to keep private, every member and league should know about it and be on watch for it. There has been much talk about cheats in rFactor, but no sure fire evidence to it or how to detect it beyond a few cheat detecting softwares which are quite cumbersome......  _________________ -- 2007 : 2009 FiHSF1 Series Champion --- 2007 : 2008 Constructor's Championship Co-driver --- V8 Supercar Series Champion --- Formula BMW Series Champion --
- The bullshit stops, when the green flag drops. [--] "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - |
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Kwik
Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 108
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I'm not an expert on cheats but a simple cheat I think is modifing the physics or something.Its not like a ram cheat that isn't detected at all unless the server is running a program like relay. |
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Koolbrown

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 895 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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The setting on my server was incorrectly set to "0". That means that even though the game registered the mismatch, it didn't boot him.
I have corrected this to boot someone immediately if a mismatch is detected. _________________
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Bustedknuckles5

Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 20 Location: Mesa AZ
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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His start is quite peculiar, also there is enormous lag in the replay, which I have no recollection of in the race, only Hynee had a high ping and was warping to me...... But in the replay everyone is lagging quite severly Confused
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Merlin, you were in the lead so far, that you would not notice any lag in the race until you started coming up on lap traffic, but if your replay shows a lot of lag, then it is represented correctly, I was seeing pings up over 1000ms in front of me and 700ms behind when i used the look behind view. there was about one full lap at the begining of the the race that i did not notice the pings, and then also before i escaped out of the race i saw about a half of lap that the pings would drop for a few seconds then bounce back up to over a 1000.
as for <chev> MM, i am not 100% that he was the cause of the bad pings, or was cheating, but i have seen the same symptoms of cheats in NSR. I do not want to get in the middle of league politics, and i dont want to be labled as a whinner, but this was the first race that i have been in with you all here at FIHS that i have seen such horible lag. and also the first time that i have seen a MM in a session that went on to race with out leaving the room to solve the MM.
this was just my thoughts and observations of the situation, and am looking forward to next tues. hope your all practiced up, iam looking for some points back after last week...;.......
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Hynee Judging Panel Member

Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Posts: 3220 Location: Melbourne, AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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I don't think that's politics Busted, I think you're saying that there's a pattern of first-time things that point to <chev> being a cheat.
Do these cheats that are around have blatant vehicle performance mismatches, but mask them as non-bootable mismatches? Can you just solve the problem by booting any mismatch? _________________ ||||||| Hynee |||||||
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Pace Racing Godfather

Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 2262 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I watched chevs whole race. He seemd to lag through cars with no contact/damage. It was Leno who was super pissed, and after viewing the replay, I can see why. Chev went wide, lost ground to leno, then just cut back across the track to take him out rather then let him pass. It was a Doughnut move. _________________
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JohnW Senior Member
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 9050 Location: High Desert, California
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I would say <chev> should be denied , from here on. For ether applying some cheat or just wacked driving. _________________
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Steven_M Site Admin

Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 2880 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| JohnW wrote: | | I would say <chev> should be denied , from here on. For ether applying some cheat or just wacked driving. |
There was never any questioning the decision made in the first post...... Personally I was just looking for some understanding for my own knowledge, because I have seen this kind of mismatch before. _________________ -- 2007 : 2009 FiHSF1 Series Champion --- 2007 : 2008 Constructor's Championship Co-driver --- V8 Supercar Series Champion --- Formula BMW Series Champion --
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